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VVV rallied 34 percent on a document that refuses to make the accusation

VVV rallied 34 percent on a document that refuses to make the accusation

Tristan Buckmaster's statement says plainly that he is not accusing anyone, and Venice's token traded as though he had, while its on-chain burn jumped 27-fold in a day.

In briefVVV jumped 34% on Tuesday to $24.77 on a large volume spike, and Decrypt's top-news bullet recorded a 40% move to $27 and a new all-time high1The mathematician has said he is not accusing anyone of misusing his data and OpenAI has denied accessing it2Buckmaster asked whether the model was trained on or had access to their Codex sessions and did not get an answer on training3
Updated · Sep 11, 2026, 02:59 ETThis story was revised after publication. The sources block reflects the current version.
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The document that moved this token refuses, in so many words, to accuse anybody of anything.

Venice's VVV rose 34 percent on Tuesday 8 September 2026 to $24.77 on a huge jump in volume, and kept going to a fresh all-time high near $27. The catalyst was an argument about mathematics in which no allegation has been made.

But it is worth being exact about that, because the entire trade depends on it.

Tristan Buckmaster, a mathematician at NYU, published a statement describing what happened after he and Levent Alpöge produced finite-time blowup results for incompressible porous media, Boussinesq and 3d incompressible Euler, working with large language models. He recounts calls with OpenAI on 6 September, and one exchange in particular.

I asked whether the model had been trained on, or had access to, our sessions in Codex, into which we had been putting all our drafts for the whole of this project. I was told the model did not look up user data. I asked again, about training, and I did not get an answer.
Tristan Buckmaster, public statement, September 2026

Later in the same document he writes: "I have not seen OpenAI's proof. I do not know what their model did, or how. I do not know whether our data was used. I am not accusing anyone of anything."

That is a careful man being careful. (We covered the priority dispute underneath it in OpenAI says 10,000 agents solved Navier–Stokes in 88 hours.)

What moved the price was a question, not a finding

And the careful version was enough. What a great many people discovered at once was not misconduct. It was that the question is answerable in principle and has not been answered.

What would you conclude if a lab told you it did not look up your data, and then went quiet when you asked whether it had trained on it?

David Hoffman put the trade in one line on X: "$VVV up 40% today because @AskVenice can't steal your data."

So what is being bought here? Venice is Erik Voorhees's project, running since January 2025 on the pitch that prompts stay on your device instead of on a company's servers, using open-source models with no content filtering and no account required. VVV is an access key rather than a governance token. Stake it and you get a proportional share of daily API inference capacity, which is roughly how a co-op sells you milk. A second token, DIEM, is minted by locking staked VVV and pays a dollar a day of API credit in perpetuity. Emissions have been cut repeatedly, from 14 million a year at launch to 2.5 million as of 1 September, and some of the revenue buys VVV on the open market and burns it.

So we went and looked at the burn, because it is the only public part

DefiLlama's series for Venice counts only that on-chain buy-and-burn, and explicitly excludes subscription, API and credit revenue that settles off chain. It shows roughly $14,500 a day for a week, and then $386,038 on 8 September.

Twenty-seven times the day before. Something close to half the trailing month in a single session.

And be careful with that figure before you spend it. A burn is a treasury action, and treasuries batch. One enormous day may well be a scheduled sweep of a fortnight's off-chain revenue rather than a surge in usage, and DefiLlama's own methodology note is candid that most of the interesting revenue lives where it cannot see, in card payments and payment processors. Venice said in August that it passed a $100 million annualised revenue run rate, up from $70 million a month earlier, which is a claim on the invisible side that nobody outside the company can check.

A narrative trade sitting on a real business

That combination is rarer in this market than the price action suggests, and the narrative is the fragile half. Private inference is a genuine product with genuine customers. It is also a hedge whose value spikes precisely when a lab looks bad, and decays quietly the rest of the time.

We would expect Venice's on-chain burn to be back under $50,000 a day by the end of September. If it holds above that, the 8 September print was demand rather than accounting, and the token was cheap.

Buckmaster, for what it is worth, would rather talk about the mathematics. He wrote that the significance of a mathematician and a model doing this work in a month "cannot be understated", and called it a Deep Blue-Kasparov moment. The crypto market read past every word of that to one unanswered question about training data.

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VVV jumped 34% on Tuesday to $24.77 on a large volume spike, and Decrypt's top-news bullet recorded a 40% move to $27 and a new all-time high“VVV jumped 34% on Tuesday to $24.77 on a massive spike in volume. The catalyst? It was a public dispute between an NYU mathematician and OpenAI over credit for fluid dynamics proofs... VVV soars 40% to $27 and new ATH on OpenAI dispute” — decrypt.co · reported · Sep 10
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The mathematician has said he is not accusing anyone of misusing his data and OpenAI has denied accessing it“The details are messy and contested, and the mathematician has said outright he isn't accusing anyone of misusing his data while OpenAI has denied accessing it. But the question that spread across X and Hacker News was simpler than the…” — decrypt.co · reported · Sep 10
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Buckmaster asked whether the model was trained on or had access to their Codex sessions and did not get an answer on training“I asked whether the model had been trained on, or had access to, our sessions in Codex, into which we had been putting all our drafts for the whole of this project. I was told the model did not look up user data. I asked again, about…” — cims.nyu.edu · primary · Sep 10
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Buckmaster states that he is not accusing anyone of anything“I have not seen OpenAI's proof. I do not know what their model did, or how. I do not know whether our data was used. I am not accusing anyone of anything. I am stating what I was told, when, and what was proposed to me.” — cims.nyu.edu · primary · Sep 10
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Buckmaster and Levent Alpoge made public finite-time blowup results for incompressible porous media, Boussinesq and 3d incompressible Euler“Today, Levent Alpoge and I have made public three results: finite-time blowup with smooth forcing for incompressible porous media, for Boussinesq, and for 3d incompressible Euler.” — cims.nyu.edu · primary · Sep 10
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Buckmaster called it a Deep Blue-Kasparov moment“Rather the important thing is instead the significance that a mathematician and an LLM model can now do all this work in a month. The significance of this with respect to the way we train students, assign credit, referee, and decide what…” — cims.nyu.edu · primary · Sep 10
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David Hoffman tied the VVV move to Venice's privacy positioning“Frontier AI labs MUST steal user data, to gain an edge against their competition The data theft is structural - it's apart of the arms race between OpenAI and Anthropic If you don't steal your customers data, you lose to those who do…” — x.com · primary · Sep 10
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Venice's design: prompts stay on device, open-source models, no content filtering or account; VVV staking gives a share of daily API inference capacity; DIEM pays $1/day of API credit; emissions cut from 14 million a year to 2.5 million as of September 1 with 2 million scheduled for October; revenue buys and burns VVV; Venice said in August it passed a $100 million annualised revenue run rate up from $70 million“The project is Erik Voorhees's, the ShapeShift founder, and the pitch is an AI platform where prompts stay on the user's device rather than sitting on a company's servers. They rely on open-source models, with no content filtering and no…” — decrypt.co · reported · Sep 10
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DefiLlama's Venice on-chain series shows about $14,500 a day through September 7 and $386,038 on September 8, and its methodology excludes off-chain subscription, API and credit revenue“"methodology":{"Fees":"Excludes Venice's subscription, API, and credit/DIEM revenue, which settle off-chain (card / Coinbase Commerce / Stripe-Bridge) with no on-chain footprint. Includes only the on-chain VVV buy-and-burn (USD value of VVV” — api.llama.fi · primary · Sep 10
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